Curse

legandry · Nov 11, 2005, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by knives

Frozen Soil

Ward Against Foes
Ward Against Melee
Armor of Earth
Frozen Burst
Armor of Mist
Elemental Attunement {E}
Crystal Wave
Grasping Earth/Deep Freeze

Wow, an ele that is a support class, who would have thought?

What is this build doing that is really helping your group in Pve? Or are you just slowing them down for your nukes to land? If so, how do you fit in a group build? I don't really see the point of using 1/8 of a team to slow down a ton of guys... that slot could be used to battery, heal, etc.

Lady Erighan · Nov 11, 2005, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Basically, anything (dmg wise) that effects multiple enemies, sends them all in a panic. Fireball, Incendiary Bonds, Ignite Arrows, Lightning Touch, Ice Spikes, etc. It's not just your "typical" AoE spells like Firestorm, Metor Shower...there are a lot more skills affected by this.

The Son Of Morgoth · Nov 11, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Everyone who hates this update just go to guildwars.com and complain.......like im doing...

twicky_kid · Nov 11, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by Jaia Shadowless

Mmmm. Great marketing technique. Kill off an entire type of spell, then claim you're helping people "adapt."

IMO, the skill/spell changes up to this point have been based on unfair exploits and loophole junkies. To disable AoE or make it essentially a crapshoot to use.... that's just ridiculous.

we had to adapt to spirit spam, air spike, iway, and ranger spike didn't we. its nothing new. the spells are toned down b/c of pve groups always wanting the same thing : 1-2 wars, 1-2 monks, and rest eles. that is crap and needs to be fixed.

they are not useless. fire font and symbol of wrath now protect you for very cheap energy cost.

the one shot aoe spells should not trigger the AI. that is the only part about this that is a little over the top.

Zoolooman · Nov 11, 2005, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

5. welcome to GW. the game constantly changes. if you haven't noticed this in 6 months you probly shouldn't play it. adapt or die its survival of the fittest.

Survival of the fittest is not a justification. Just because something is new or different does not make it better.

On the other hand, I've said why I think the change made the game worse. This update did not increase the number of useful skills, but reduced it severely. Many skills are balanced for PvE, being obviously useless in PvP, and most of these skills are balanced to hit enemies that stand still. This change ruins that balance.

What reasons have you, except for a love of change and the blind hope that people will now ask for more rangers, mesmers and necros (as if they could fill in the gaping hole left by the fire nuker)?

Sekkira · Nov 11, 2005, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Cool, I can spec in fire, energy storage, inspiration and water!

Dual superiors ftw, guess I'm gonna need a good tank cause I can't take too much damage, owait...

The Son Of Morgoth · Nov 11, 2005, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Zoolooman

Survival of the fittest is not a justification. Just because something is new or different does not make it better.

On the other hand, I've said why I think the game has become worse. This update did not increase the number of useful skills, but reduced it severely. Many skills are balanced for PvE, being obviously useless in PvP, and most of these skills are balanced to hit enemies that stand still. This change ruins that balance.

What reasons have you, except for a love of change and the blind hope that people will now ask for more rangers, mesmers and necros, as if they'll make up for the gaping hole in damage left by the fire nuker?

EXACTLY...... why will people now ask for more mesmer necro and ranger? ranger since they can trap ? o whoops traps nerfed....
necro since he can battery for his monks and nukes? o wait u cant nuke with aoe anymore..

hmmmm thinking......
mesmers maybe since they can slow........yah that sounds fun im just going get on gw after a slow day at skool or work and just like go slow monsters for my team yea my dream game.....

Owen · Nov 11, 2005, 04:01 AM // 04:01

I think the AI improvement only makes teamplay more important.

Enemies fleeing my AoE will now be subject to increased damage from the Warriors who persue them out of the AoE area hitting them on the run. Alos, as said, it'll now make it ALOT easier for me to get a group with my Blood/Curse Necro and for all of us who choose to play the more skillful classes.

Frankly in my opinion I knew one of two things would happen to AoE: either what has just happened or AoE's would be made to hit everyone in the area, allies included. I think we got the lesser of two evils here.

To say that enemies shouldn't be given the ability to run from AoE is simply stupid.

MaglorD · Nov 11, 2005, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by MarkyX

You're not a good nuker if you rely on Meteor Shower.

That makes Mahgo Hydras poor nukers...nope, didn't think so.

Jaia Shadowless · Nov 11, 2005, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

we had to adapt to spirit spam, air spike, iway, and ranger spike didn't we. its nothing new. the spells are toned down b/c of pve groups always wanting the same thing : 1-2 wars, 1-2 monks, and rest eles.

My point was that they basically nerfed AoE, not one or two particular spells. It's not just Fire Eles that are affected. AoE is a staple of the RPG genre. Paying ungodly amounts of energy for it is fine, exhaustion or long casting time (or both) is also fine... it's a good price to pay for the power you get in return. But now, that risk gets you nada.

Faith In Madness · Nov 11, 2005, 04:03 AM // 04:03

this..is..the ..worst ..update....

well i guess i won't make that fire ele i have planned

dont really like the other lines of spells

neoteo · Nov 11, 2005, 04:06 AM // 04:06

I AM A FIRE NUKER , ITS MY ONLY LEVEL 20 CHAR I HAVE , I DONT PLAY PVP

and yet , i love this update ... make it harder and harder !!!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ANET !!!

yslee · Nov 11, 2005, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by Zoolooman

Yet you're telling me to adapt. Why should I have to adapt? Along the same lines, why did AoE have to be nerfed? People are rationalizing this change after the fact, claiming "it's better this way" while appealing to hasty excuses. But in all aspects, those who praise this are missing the fundamental fact: a large set of skills made for PvE have been nerfed, and no amount of adaptation will make up for that loss.

Indeed. Well said, Zoolooman. Now what we have are potentially powerful spells.. and that's all they'll ever be!

twicky_kid · Nov 11, 2005, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by Jaia Shadowless

My point was that they basically nerfed AoE, not one or two particular spells. It's not just Fire Eles that are affected. AoE is a staple of the RPG genre. Paying ungodly amounts of energy for it is fine, exhaustion or long casting time (or both) is also fine... it's a good price to pay for the power you get in return. But now, that risk gets you nada.

exactly why its survial of the fittest. adapt or get left behind simple as that. i already know what i'll be using in the future with pve groups so i don't have to worry about it. this also makes it emulate pvp more which is a GOOD thing. that will make pvp more competetive after people tranfer from pve.

any way you want to look at this alot of us knew this was coming sooner or later. having 3 out of 6 classes completely shut out of parties is not what this game is about, its about teamwork. learn to live with and go one with your day.

Zoolooman · Nov 11, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by neoteo

I AM A FIRE NUKER , ITS MY ONLY LEVEL 20 CHAR I HAVE , I DONT PLAY PVP

and yet , i love this update ... make it harder and harder !!!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ANET !!!

BECAUSE MY SINGULAR EXAMPLE OF MASOCHISM JUSTIFIES DESTROYING SKILL BALANCE, ELIMINATING FARMING, AND ANGERING A LOT OF PVE PLAYERS WHO ARE RIGHT NOW LOUDLY BITCHING IN EVERY MAJOR DISTRICT!!!! WOO!!!

:|

TMWNN · Nov 11, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10

What a bunch or crybabies!!

I was just playing and I adnt red the notes yet, i did notice the mobs running from my chaos storms, guess what i still managed to kill them just as fast.

Adapt to the change or play something else, I just can't stand whiny little turds having a cry over every minor change!

Faith In Madness · Nov 11, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Exactly.The fire and smite spells were pretty much made for PVE now why do they ruin the spells that they made for PvE?Because of all the ppl who complained about it being "Too Easy" and stuff like that.

QuixotesGhost · Nov 11, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10

They run from .... Whirlwind.

That's ah....

Um, it's only a one - shot .....

Why the heck would you run from Whirlwind?!?

Darkest Dawn · Nov 11, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10

I was out killing the 10 minos for a quest in Augury. I had orion with me. Man those suckers were all over the place. My warrior, and the other melee henchies were running like chickens with our heads cut off trying to catch the minos and the agroed gryphons. ANet, can't we at least cause the AI to have a 2-3 sec delay before attempting to run from AOE?

twicky_kid · Nov 11, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by Zoolooman

BECAUSE MY SINGULAR EXAMPLE OF MASOCHISM JUSTIFIES DESTROYING SKILL BALANCE, ELIMINATING FARMING, AND ANGERING A LOT OF PVE PLAYERS WHO ARE RIGHT NOW LOUDLY BITCHING IN EVERY MAJOR DISTRICT!!!! WOO!!!

:|

i guess your idea of skill balance is outputing 120 dmg per second on a group that isn't smart enough to move 2 steps to the left?

now the skills are balanced and work much more like they would in pvp w/o the detection part. still will be fun and love the update. only people that are complaining are those than can't think for themselves and come up with their own build.

btw the best nuking spell isn't even from an ele.